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What are the odds of the Internet Archive getting shut in the next 5 years and what will we do after it is shut?

The library is the biggest collection of anything ever, it is everything we have ever done. All of human history is on it, shutting it down would be comparable to burning the library of Alexandria and there’d be no way to rebuild it. Languages, peoples, history, art and entire cultures depend on the archive to preserve itself into the modern era and beyond. Without it, there’s basically nothing. Shutting down websites like this is nothing new to companies, they shut Emuparadise down so odds are book publishers will manage to get their hands on the website. Is it possible to duplicate it? I’m unsure but I’d like to hear your thoughts.

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  1. In addition to supporting the Internet Archive, you can also support the archivists who upload there. For instance, as far as I can tell [I am the only human on earth preserving American releases of a 20th century educational media format called “sound filmstrip](https://archive.org/details/@uncommon_ephemera),” and probably 99% of the media ever made was simply thrown away when “better” formats like VHS came along (imagine thinking a 240i analog magnetic videotape format was “better” than 35mm film). The remaining 1% is chemically decomposing at a rate faster that one human being can acquire and preserve it all.

    While I also have a YouTube channel where I reassemble and restore selected titles that I think would be interesting enough to poke the algorithm, and keep my own backups of everything I do, IA has been a godsend as a place to store things as I preserve them, even if I cannot do anything else *but* preserve raw scans and audio ingestion.

    That being said – I don’t know how old you are, but I’m old, and I want to use my oldness to remind you and everyone at r/DataHoarder that the Internet was meant to be decentralized. Does that mean IA is bad? No, not in the least. What it *does* mean is that there is always hope that the content on IA outlasts IA and survives anything bad that happens to IA. If you support IA *and* the preservationists putting things into IA, you help to guarantee those things will live on *somewhere*, no matter what. Using myself as an example, more support means more eyes on what I’m doing; more people sharing the preservation work on social media (a necessary evil to continue to be successful in the modern age, I’m afraid); more people in more parts of the country looking for media in need of rescue; more people donating media for preservation (there’s quite a bit on eBay and some is offensively priced); more people interested; potentially more opportunities to speak to the mainstream (to differentiate from my use of the word elsewhere in this paragraph, not a political statement) media about the importance of preserving history and media and point consumers of that media back to IA, other preservationists, and r/DataHoarder. Which means more people supporting IA and all of us, which means more protection for IA and all of us doing preservation and archival work.

    One of the things I love about r/DataHoarder is I routinely see posts on here saying “such-and-such a site is going down on July 1st!” and everybody jumps into action to save everything on it. I have always felt confident if something happens to IA, or if something happens to me, this sub will jump in and make sure all that work is saved and passed on to the next generation of archivists, preservationists, and data hoarders.

    Now, people on the internet love to misunderstand and take things out of context, so let me try to get ahead of that. I love IA and I love what they’re doing. But if something happens to them, we should not for a second think it is the end of everything on IA. Many here have large parts of the collection. I have copies of everything I preserve (please don’t think I’m being conceited because I have copies of my own work; I don’t have the resources to even buy the camera to post a picture of myself buying 100 hard drives at once as some on this sub are privileged to do; if I have enough disks to store my own work I am blessed). The content will live on. It may not be as easy to get to for awhile, but we are blessed to have conveniences like IA, but as long as the content survives, we are not lost without it. Hard times create strong humans.

    That being said, if a sub-group of people here were interested in starting an official “Internet Archive Archive” project, where we build and maintain a decentralized archive of IA, I would welcome discussion on that. I already have my stuff, for what little that is worth.

  2. Kinda like what happened to WHAT.xx (music tracker). Most of the CONTENT is still elsewhere, but no one can make the interface/organization/community like it once was. Content cannot be erased, but sadly communities can.

  3. Downloading individual articles and then having to explicitly work together with other people that have done the same is one thing… but it would be awesome if this could work via IPFS.

    I’d love to simply pin individual pieces of media as I come across them, to create just one more piece of redundancy with a single click, and let them be immediately available to everyone else accessing each of those files.

  4. >Without it, there’s basically nothing.

    Nonsense. It was built over the course of 20 years, there is no reason that can’t be repeated.

    Some stuff might be lost, but lots of institutions will have backups.

    If there is truly information nobody has backed up, chances are we won’t miss it.

  5. What.cd was the biggest and best organized music collection ever and I miss it every day 🙁

  6. Ironically enough, the internet archive is also stored in the library of Alexandria… So yea, that would be a pretty accurate comparison

  7. What I don’t get is why aren’t some billionaires or companies supporting IA, Wikipedia etc and ensuring they never die? It’d take peanuts for any of the big companies. Even if they do it anonymously.

  8. I think you should go poke around Wikimedia. I don’t know if a bigger data dump than that. It contains all of Internet Archive, Archive.org, the library of Congress, and every webpage and revision of webpage ever indexed. Truly massive.

  9. Put the whole site into a torrent or a resilio p2p file or have some decentralised service that doesn’t require having a main server location. They’re becoming more popular and easier to implement. People should still back it up regardless though

  10. I don’t think they’ll get shut down, but i can see them getting in trouble with copyright the same way youtube did and other sites. Then having to be super strict on content and erasing a good amount of the library.

  11. I don’t personally have a IA backup stash but I collect the same things everyone does, with my own level of curation.

    In 5 years, hopefully we will have IPFS or something better to circumvent the bullshit.

  12. compress and make 1tb torrents. But for the love of god don’t just do that without some kind of site showing what torrents are in most need of seeding and a link to the .torrent file.

  13. This honestly is the best reason for newer dense storage mediums and why we need distributed protocols like IPFS to help. IMHO.

  14. We just move on with our lives

    Nothing can be done. Mirroring is futile; you do not have the funds or man power to make a functional, accessible and complete archive

    Accept your fate and move on

  15. My library works with them and several others do too; they’re branching out into “dark archives” that are essentially non-public facing cold storage for libraries. They’re not going anywhere anytime soon.

  16. >book publishers will manage to get their hands on the website

    The Internet Archive lends encrypted books for this very reason. Also, as others have said, it is legally a library and thus gets some federal funding and special legal protections

  17. What are the sources for this ?? Ohh i see you are speculating that it might get shut down

  18. The part i dont get is there was a thing i forgot the name but it was basically torrent-like-web-hosting. I dont see why we arent doing it. Basically any user was also the host. Even if it is a small portion of it. I know making sure that integrity if the files will be a pain in the ass but as a no-web-skilled moron i think it can be done.

  19. This is what Chia crypto should really be all about; proof of space to record something important. Bittorrent of something useful. r/chia

  20. Then you need to create an internet within the internet. A place just for like minded folks.

    Somethng like:


  21. There’s a small part of it that I’d like to archive. Are they tools to do this? Thanks.

  22. What your actually referring to is a much larger problem. Your implying that some sort of law or judgement gets passed that shuts it down? That would be the fault of those elected, and them no longer representing the will of the electorate but rather that of their corporate and special interest donors. Common problem. Short of a civil war, I’d suggest buying har drives and backing up as much as you can.

  23. We need a decentralized p2p solution, archive.org but stored across the entire internet, including chunks on home computers all across the world, several thousand times over

  24. What we will do? The majority of the public: nothing.

    The archive.is aka archive.today guy has been separately running his own web page archiver, thanklessly as far as I can tell. And he has no easy job due to trolls or idiots or combined try to shut it down:

    1) Complain to hosting / domain name registry/reseller about the website

    2) The above parties don’t care whether it’s a legit request (not a troll) or whether the linked content is remotely illegal, they just pass the pressure down to the guy

    3) He can either accept his fate and delete the whatever ARCHIVED page (wasn’t it the whole point??) or accept his fate and get booted (hosting/domain).

    If you want a more familar example: the storage of all people frequenting this sub is probably in the double digits of petabytes. How much of it is freely accessible? How much of it is privately accessible (i.e. you can find the hoarder and contact him. but that requires any sort of comment/index on the user’s part)?

    Before we can fantasize about the IA, maybe we should try organizing our “spare” hoarded stuff and bandwidth first. And this is unimaginable without i2p / Tor’s Hidden Services for privacy reasons alone.

  25. I wonder if we could create a deep web distributed site to mimic or mirror IA? Or maybe one already exists that I’m not aware of?

  26. …they shut Emuparadise down so odds are book publishers will manage to get their hands on the website.

    Ummm…welcome to 2021!

    There already is a lawsuit by book publishers last year: [https://www.google.com/search?q=internet+archive+lawsuit&rlz=1C1ASVC_enUS940US940&oq=internet+ar&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j69i60j69i61j69i60.2311j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=internet+archive+lawsuit&rlz=1C1ASVC_enUS940US940&oq=internet+ar&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j69i60j69i61j69i60.2311j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) And the hearing is set for this year.

    In the unlikely event the lawsuit goes against IA, there is and will be plenty of time for institutions and individuals to archive the website and prepare.

  27. There are multiple institutional backups of (at the very least, large large parts of) it, as well as hundreds of large-time non-institutional users with significant portions, I would imagine if it went down everyone who has shit would go insane trying to get it back into the hands of others

    I, for example, have a very large portion of the public domain books on there, and if IA went down, I’d throw them on my server and start serving them myself

    The idea that there’s no way to rebuild it is fatalistic; while much of the user-uploaded content would be hard to replicate, large collections like “Cheng Yu Tung East Asian Library” or the Prelinger collection, both of which contain incredible data that can easily be copied again, from the institutions that maintain the datas, into whatever IA alternative comes along next