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Long-term linking on a volatile web is falling victim to link rot, as a new study shows 25% of deep links on NYT.com articles from 1996-2019 are inaccessible

Long-term linking on a volatile web is falling victim to link rot, as a new study shows 25% of deep links on NYT.com articles from 1996-2019 are inaccessible

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  1. websites going offline or change is normal, some data is ok to be lost, some other may be more important, websites that want to keep their references available for long should use something like [https://urlfreezer.com](https://urlfreezer.com) that allow to save snapshots of links even of multiple version, and link them from different pages.

  2. “Link rot” lol let’s call it what it is… Censorship.

  3. Can someone smart explain to me why we cant just take the old sites that are defunct and put them on a special domain, like .old?

    Why do we have this stupid internet that you have to pay for domains that expire and get taken down instead of archived (and no archive.org, while a godsend, is a not good enough)? The internet is ridiculous. Fuck’s sake, its like having a library where every year a bunch of books just disappear from your stock. The loss is tremendous, and the space left behind lets all these bullshit blogs fill up the internet with their weak ass pseudo information. Same thing with the algorithms on YouTube making cake videos and shit. Grrrrr!

  4. Another problem is people abusing hard links to “drive visits”. For example a popular “influencer” posts about some smaller site’s article; that site notices that article gets a lot more visits and they change the content of the article to try to get the new visitors to visit the rest of the site; now the original influencer’s reference is arguably worse than a dead link.

  5. I’ve experienced this with soundcloud. Even relatively popular songs from 5 years ago are gone.

  6. The problem has other side effects. For instance anything notable from the early web that had little or no off-line presence is actively blocked from Wikipedia for reference due to “lack of citations”.

    For pre 1997 online centered content the citations are long gone and were never captured in archive.org as it didn’t even start indexing till late 1996. And even if you can find off-line refences it’s typically not enough for the couch crusaders that power edit pages on the site. The result is early web history from 1994-1996 gets a strong f’u from the wikicops.

    (full disclosure, I maintain an archive of a historical site that is directly impacted by this bullshit. )

  7. I routinely do research on the web for work. Including obscure topics and old media. Also, there is (and increasingly *was*) some professional content made by me on the web.

    Web is absolutely not forever. It dies all the time. Often most of the sources on Wikipedia, even in a fairly neat small article (not a *good* article of course), are all dead. Websites die. The ones that are alive go through redesign every 2-8 years, and all the links (and often content) are wiped. Some store the old website with all its content, but it’s all but hidden and non-searchable. Even if the content is there, design and layout never survive (history of web design and frontend is incredibly janky and weird). If it weren’t for the Wayback Machine, some of the things I did 10 years ago, wouldn’t exist anywhere at all. Old web art is especially vulnerable, it’s not some well-defined body of information and it’s often DIY.

  8. I have a large series of personal notes and resources organized in [joplin](https://joplinapp.org/). Because of link rot, most of the links to resources I enter I also take the time to embed the file or an archived page created with “[Save Page WE](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-page-we/)” in my browser.

  9. Biggest loss for me is VWVortex. Decades if not centuries of man-hours of upgrades/repairs being lost to the abyss. Changes or migrations to the underlying BBcode, banning image hosting sites, image sites shutting down, people hosting images of repairs on their own sites either moving and not setting up shop again, people literally *dying* and losing all their knowledge and pics.

    It’s frustrating to see the same “fix” to a problem be rediscovered 4-5 times because the pictures or the link to the explainer page are gone or broken. Even worse when you google and there’s only a single walkthrough but all the directions rely on the pics.

  10. I have old websites (some custom code) in php, Ruby on Rails, plain HTML, and esoteric databases and dependencies.

    I did the right thing and saved websites in CVS and git, but I wouldn’t dare to put that stuff on the public web anymore. It would be hacked so fast.

    I originally pulled it because the code broke when my hosting provider changed the underlying dependencies for security. I gave up on maintaining it.

    To this day I still have 404 to my website for some scripts I wrote that Deezer tries to pull from for songs and iHeartradio.

  11. Thank goodness not everything on the internet lasts forever.

  12. Yep.

    I run a crappy small blog – https://blog.networkprofile.org/

    Its hosted out my house. There is all sorts of stuff linking to it as reference, which totally took me by surprise

    I have no idea how long I’ll host it, or if I will run into any issues etc

  13. Related:

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/9/22222371/trump-ban-twitter-link-rot-embedded-dead-posts

    tbh, I’ve never understood the hyperlinking on webpages. Sure, makes it easier to publish. But then you’re basing the quality and reliability of your content on third parties

  14. At the time, I never thought id be sad to move on from AOL in the 90s but man what I wouldnt do to relive that experience now.. you can relive the experience of movie you loved as a kids as an adult, and to some degree video games, but the online experience, nope. same with bbs’s

  15. I’ve noticed this on Wikipedia as well. Lots and lots of links to sources are just dead now. I know some people are trying to fight against that by using Archive.org links, which helps, but its still leaning on a single source that may or may not be around forever.

  16. Link shorteners are the biggest enemy in all of this. Every time a shortening service goes out of commission it breaks millions or billions of individual links. Absolutely pointless and gross.

  17. Does that mean my phonebook from the ’90’s isn’t any good?

  18. Lots of articles have disappeared over the years on the net. From Intel and the MPAA wanting to use cameras on your smart tv’s to count people to ensure you had the proper license, to the first time Microsoft shut down their music servers and locked people out of their “purchases”.

  19. Trying to find engineering and environmental reports for redevelopment projects is so tedious because of this. I’ll find a local news article about PCB remeditation at an old factory, with links to detailed sampling reports on the municipality’s website. Click the link, and sure enough the link is dead.

  20. I was just reading an article from 2016 that linked to [https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/nysd/442951/](https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/nysd/442951/) and it was dead. How could the government let a simple court case URL die in just a few years?

    Companies, sure, but our legal systems should be doing a better job of preserving digital information.

  21. This actually crosses sub-Reddit’s.

    I ran a website in Blogger (self hosted). Then migrated to MoveableType. Then migrated to Drupal. And now for the last decade WordPress.

    There was never a clean transition or common data structure (xml, etc) that allowed portability. No one, especially early internet era, was thinking that far ahead when banging out code.

    So at each juncture I lost 2-5 years of content.

    To this day I still get 404 errors in my logs for some early research papers I wrote that effected blogger and WRT code. Hell, **I don’t** have that work anymore or I’d archive it somewhere. It’s not in the web archive. It’s just…lost.

    I want an answer for how to log for posterity. But so far, outside of walled gardens, there isn’t one.