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Feelings on newegg’s refurbished drives? How do you refurbish a HDD?

Feelings on newegg’s refurbished drives? How do you refurbish a HDD?

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  1. I’d feel better about used drives, refurb in my mind seems like someone took an rma’d drive, probably cleared the smart data and shipped it out the door.

    But I’ve run nothing but used HGST SAS drives for my fileserver, had a set of 12x 2tb, 12x 3tb and now 6x 8tb and have only had one 2tb drive develop a few bad sectors. There was one shipment that wasn’t packed well that the seller ended up replacing but yeah as long as they pass a badblocks test and you’ve got a decent amount of parity and backups I see no reason why it should be an issue. Honestly I think it’s a bit silly how people spend so much time and money worrying about getting the most reliable drives possible when really the system should be designed with failures in mind. I’ve spent much less than half of what you would on new drives and yeah never really had an issue. Ended up taking the extra money and picking up a sweet lto5 tape library which in the end leaves you with a much more resilient setup.

  2. I’m running 6x 2TB refurbed HGST ultrastars I bought from Newegg over 5 years ago along with 3x 6TB of the same from Serverpartdeals but only a year ago, no issues with any of them.

    So far refurbed enterprise drives have been great for me, YMMV.

  3. You wipe it off. Probably wipe the SMART tags as well.

    If they are cheap enough, you might get away with an extra large parity scheme (unraid, ZFS Z2, something similar) on the assumption that if/when the drive dies, you can replace it.

    You also have to wonder where the drives come from. Most used consumer drives likely are returns (and damaged). Enterprise disks may be retired when the warranty/expected life span is exceeded, and could be a good buy.

    I’ve bought at least one used HDD. Lasted a year or two, no regrets (it made sense at the time), but I’ll stick to shucking for now.

  4. Back in the days refurbished meant that you take used computer, replace some plastic parts, and few rubber pads, clean the dust, apply fresh thermal compound, maybe replace battery or fan if needed and sell it as refurbished.

    That made some sense as the consumable pieces of the device were replaced.and you got used one but basically like new.

    Today the refurbished means used with or without any fix applied.

    For the disks I dont think newegg can do anything. Maybe some fancy lab could replace mechanical part of the disk (as a whole)of the disk or retest the disk and zero the smart.

    But that is all BS and the best approach for disks is just label them as used, publish their smart stats and set the price or auction it off.

    If the disk is refurbished by the manufacturer thats a different story. The manufacturer will replace few parts, retest the disk and zero the smart but they know (or at least should know) what they do and what they sell. In such case I would buy some (as I actually did with some WD some times ago (250GB era)) and use them as work drives, not for storage.

  5. Two traits to look for in an refurbished product is who refurbish and how much is anyone standing behind it.

    Newegg can’t do anything to test or fix a drive beyond doing a software scan or checking SMART data. They don’t have the information, tools, or the people to do anything else. The manufacturer on the other hand could open the drive or do stuff, in particular they could run the sort of quality check they do on a newly manufactured drive

    More important to me how much is anyone standing behind the refurb product. 30-90 day warranty? They aren’t willing to stand behind the drive being as reliably as a new drive with at least a year warranty. If they offer the same warranty term (through a reliably and reputably provider) that a new product does, you can trust that they at least think the product is as reliably.

  6. I mean, at the risk of not sounding cynical enough, I have a feeling that companies who *build* drives know how to *refurbish* them, even if you don’t.

    I imagine, ignoring for a moment the notion that it’s all fraud, that it’s like any other type of refurbished product, where there are parts that are worn out or failed and there are parts that aren’t worn out or failed, and the drives are disassembled in a clean room, the parts sorted by whether they’re still good or not, and the still-good parts are used to build “refurbished” drives? Or as others have said, drives returned without any significant hours on them are tested and the ones that pass are cleaned up, the SMART data reset, and repackaged as a refurbished drive? The price and warranty should reflect that they’re not brand new right? And it’s incumbent on us as consumers not to buy them if they’re exactly the same price as new drives?

  7. Few drops of penetrating oil into the little ventilation hole and it’s good to go…

    (warning: don’t)

  8. You don’t. If something was actually wrong with the drive it would cost more to diagnose and fix than what you could sell it for. At best someone might power it on and check the smart stats are still decent before they go on to sell them but there are some resellers who just take used data center drives and just sell them straight away without even checking the drive.

  9. The First Owner gets shipped a bare drive in a plastic carrier with 2 pieces of bubble wrap inside a massive box. The drive has more ping pongs than an Olympic tournament.

    First Owner returns drive to New Egg, gets new drive.

    Drive is ‘refurbished’ by looking at it for dents, then stuffed in another box and sold.

    If you’re like me, and complain directly to Seagate/WesterDigital about your new drive having been beaten up and shipped like a rag muffin, you’ll get a ‘recertified drive’ with a 1 year warranty and no support when it shits the bed a year out.

  10. I assume they just run a SMART test and if that passes then list it.

  11. Refurbished doesn’t really mean much. I took some retired drives from my ex employer, fully wipe them and scan them to make sure all sectors function correctly and smart looks all good, and I can sell them as used and refurbished. Most of the time refurbishing means wipe the drive using a cloth and put it into a ESD bag.

  12. Bought 7 WD Red 3TB refurbs on ebay about 5 years ago for like $40/each. Built a 6 drive array, and have not had to use the 7th drive yet. Not the same site, but most likely the same process. Bulk retirement of old systems and such.

    My feelings on them are pretty good 😛 *knocks on wood*

  13. Feelings?

    **Seagate:**

    “(we) may replace your product with a product that was previously used, repaired and tested to meet Seagate specifications”

    **WD:**

    “WD recertified products may consist of customer return units and may be repaired. All products are tested and determined to meet WD’s stringent quality standards before they are sold as recertified.”

    **”refurbished” according to resellers (my take) – here’s the most risk AFAICS:**

    Drives that are either returned by customers (as in “not required”, not “damaged”), removed from system bought in bulk from manufacturers, removed from systems acquired from companies disposing old equipment, etc.