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DVD Ripping in 2021

I found [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/cse88w/dvd_ripping_in_2019/) from a few years ago and wanted to ask a few follow-up questions and see if anything has changed since it was written. I have been ripping DVDs onto my computer using MakeMKV and then putting them on an external hard drive on a Debian 10 machine running a Plex Server. This seems consistent with what was discussed in the old posting, but there was a lot of disagreement about quality and interlaced or telecined content.

When I rip a DVD I usually get rid of all the extra “folders” that MakeMKV finds when I open the disk. I only select the biggest one which is usually the full movie with subtitles and audio options, leaving the menus and deleted scenes behind.

Other than being a rather large file (a few GBs), is there any downside to this and/or a benefit to running the video file through Handbrake after ripping but before loading onto the server? I would like the best possible quality as I intend to build up a large catalog of movies over the years, I can always buy more storage space!

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  1. I wrote this program years ago for streamling the backup process of my movies. The program is a front end to MakeMKVconn.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/makemkvhelper/

  2. The question is answered by your use.

    Are you just ripping to digitise, and back up? If you’re streaming it, what on? Are you using it for something else. (Realistically anything left is probably against the rule of the subs.)

    Here’s an example of my usage. I stream plex or infuse app on AppleTV 4K, through a 4K Sony projector. Stored on an old gaming PC turned Ubuntu server. Anything I acquire as a rip, or otherwise, is automated through my data handling service, so are or radarr, and then handbrake to match the streaming capabilities of my current setup and requirements for my appleTV. For Bluray rips, this cuts the storage used by nearly 3/4th. For other usage it drastically cuts down processing on the server due to transcoding and other blah blah blah.

    Do I need to do any of this? Absolutely not. That being said, I have no reason to have something at remux. VERY VERY RARELY do I do this. For example, I got a really rare UK only release of BBC Jane Eyre for my girlfriend. The only version available right now for purchase is cut by nearly one hour per each of the four episodes. On eBay, a shitty knockoff barely 240p rip sells for around 80$ a piece. This one is the official release limited to something like 100. That rip I made 4 backups of at remux. As it’s not available anywhere online, or really for purchase. Everything else I don’t care about unless is not available somewhere else.

  3. *Other than being a rather large file (a few GBs), is there any downside to this and/or a benefit to running the video file through Handbrake after ripping but before loading onto the server? I would like the best possible quality as I intend to build up a large catalog of movies over the years, I can always buy more storage space!*

    You’re already doing the best to retain quality (RIP and Remux to .MKV) and have the right attitude about being willing to buy more storage!

    Only with an extensive knowledge and experience with scripting programs like AVISynth and FFmpeg could you possibly improve a correctly/well mastered commercial release. And there’s always quality loss when reencoding a video, even if you were to save it a truly uncompressed.

    I always get a chuckle when posters talk about the great quality of the original discs or refer to them as “masters”. I’ve been around long enough to have seen movies on everything from snowy TV broadcasts, to videotape, to Laserdisc, to DVD, Blu-Ray and UHD, and while each new format offered better and better quality, there’s always that something extra that can be tweaked and enhanced, especially from analog film. As for anything available to the general public being a “master”. That’s so far from the truth. Even a *gasp* 100GB UHD release is extremely compressed and color graded for the home. There are always compromises made from the multil-TB work videos that are themselves compressed from even larger videos, that came from the mastering process for film or the actual digital footage.

  4. I use handbrake to get a smaller file and remove subtitles and all foreign languages. I don’t believe anybody using my system would be able to tell the difference between the Blu-ray Disc and my Plex files.

  5. I just use makemkv to rip to emby. Playback is on an nvidia shield so I see no need to compress the files any and space isnt an issue. There is a benefit to encode stuff depending on your playback device or if your media server hardware dosent have the muscle to do on the fly transcoding but that depends on your environment. Emby does support multiple versions of the same movie if for example you wanted a copy encoded for playback on mobile devices and the full set of original files for playback on a large tv.

  6. Don’t re-encode it just let the media player do the deinterlacing.

  7. I would think MakeMKV would provide the best quality at the cost of storage. Becomes a big deal when ripping BluRay.

    I haven’t found a good guide to make it easy to encode. If you are encoding digital movies, it is easy to get great quality because the source is high quality. When encoding movies recorded with film or something with less recorded quality, encoding at low quality seems to smooth out all the film artifacts and produce a better copy. Sometimes I can get a better copy encoding/compressing than with MakeMKV.

    I use MakeMKV to rip, Handbrake to encode. Maybe there’s something better, but then it seems to require a lot more knowledge, tweaking, experimenting, and understanding, which I don’t have.

    If there’s something out there that can make it easier/simpler….I sure would like to know.

  8. The best quality PC hardware encoder is currently found in nVidia Turing (7th gen) cards (or newer). Handbrake is good and will let you select the nVidia encoder, but if you’re dealing with interlaced footage, you will notice that a good deinterlacer has an incredible effect on the end quality. Leaving the footage as interlaced leaves the final quality up to the playback device (trying to do it in real-time), so people’s viewing results can vary.

    I stopped using Handbrake a few years ago and moved to StaxRip, which gives you a lot more control.

    This will sound counter-intuitive, but H.26x encoding at 10 bit instead of 8 bit gives you better quality output for the same target bit-rate. This is true even for 8 bit source material. 10-bit playback with H.265 is supported pretty much everywhere, but be careful with H.264; some devices and software won’t play 10 bit encodings back. You’ll get 10 bit encodings from nVidia nvEnc and Intel QuickSync, but AMD were still 8-bit only, last time I checked a couple of years ago.

    You can leave the source material alone and store 20+ GB if you really want, but choosing a constant QP (I=20, P=24, B=28) gives you something that’s 1/5 to 1/10th the size and is pretty hard to complain about. If you have lots of film grain that is throwing out blocky artefacts, you can: apply a temporal denoising filter (very slow), downscale the image by 10% (very fast) or drop the QP to I=18, P=21, B=24. Every time you drop QP by 6, the file size doubles.

  9. If space is not a concern, the best quality is a rip using makemkv, just as you’re doing. There’s no re-encoding being done, so the copy is a bit for bit copy of the original.