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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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  1. But it’s already a common speed of home internet connection in Russia. Internet was invented in US, but why it so slow in source country?

  2. Laughs in 12 Mbps

    I love Australia but boy do we get sucky internet where I live.

  3. 100Mbps? Are you kidding? Don’t the US have some antitrust laws or something? I live in central Europe and I have 1Gbps up/down and am paying $20/month for it

  4. Yes.

    There’s nothing else to say, except for “make it so”.

    Unequivocally: what you pay for down, you should get in up.

  5. Agreed

    Some short-sighted people on another thread disagree that upload speeds should be symmetric.

  6. Cable companies: “We promise to let you hit your data cap in 5 min or less.”

  7. The US should be aiming for 1Gbps which will set the country up to get the most from the internet economy. Otherwise it will be another opportunity that US leaders have squandered

  8. According to Comcast broadband is one bit per fortnight.

  9. Then why do you allow laws that ban municipal broadband services?

  10. Should be Australia’s too! But fucking old people said 25mbps was good enough for everyone. Future proofing? What’s that?

  11. **Back of the envelope math:**
    According to [The Scientific American](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-smart-grid/), in 2010 there were 200,000 miles of high voltage power lines and 5,500,000 miles of local distribution lines in the US.

    According to [Columbia Telecommunications Engineering](https://www.ctcnet.us/CTCCostsForAnchorInstitutions.pdf), best-case aerial (utility pole) fiber optic construction costs are $25,000 per mile. Worst case buried cable costs are $4000,000 per mile.

    Relying on that same source (and some personal knowledge) about which is more common, the average cost will be much closer to the first than the second. Let’s take the $100,000 per mile worst-case aerial amount as an average.

    Toss in big cross-country lines, assuming double the cost per mile. This gives us a cost of $590 billion dollars to run fiber optic cable to everywhere that had power lines in 2010.

    **(I invite better sources or anything that would refine this calculation)**

  12. Updating the definition of “broadband” should have been done awhile ago, but it won’t help anything… Instead it’ll simply cause large portions of the country become underserved.

    For years now, we’ve been gifting ISPs millions (if not billions) to expand their networks to rural underserved areas and they continually fail to reach their annual goal.

    We need to do something better! Instead of gifting the money to the ISPs, we need to construct a National Broadband Network (NBN) that could link every American, no matter how rural they may be, to a pure Fiber network.

    Using Google’s new Fiber tech as the base, this could ensure every American could have up to a symmetrical 2Gbps connection. This would be a much more future proofed network than what the FCC (via fees appended to every connection in the US) is currently paying for.

    The US currently sits somewhere around 15th in the fastest average global connection. With the NBN, the US could be able to leapfrog to #1, beating out S Korea’s 30Mbps.

    Several studies have shown areas with higher internet connection speeds have statistically higher GDPs. The NBN could potentially help spearhead the economy (especially if we stay focused on work from home). It’ll definitely help cloud based companies like Netflix, Stadia etc.

    The NBN could also help solve another issue that the now previous FCC refused to even acknowledge as an issue, the lack of competition in the US.

    At the moment, 2 of every 3 connected Americans have a choice of a single ISP (generally either Comcast or Spectrum) or no internet at all.

    The NBN could be designed to allow multiple ISPs to provide service over the network. Every American, no matter how rural, could have the choice of using Comcast, Spectrum, Cox, AT&T, Verizon FiOS, Google Fiber maybe also Apple (I seem to recall they were considering becoming an ISP (or maybe an MVNO?) at one point)… With half a dozen ISPs providing service to every American, they will actually have to compete for customers.

  13. What I pay to my local regional monopoly ISP is $105 a month for 100Mbps down and **5Mbps** up… I have no other choice of ISP.

    Addon unstable connection and shitty ISP infrastructure and it’s network architecture, sometimes I basically don’t get upload. ”power cycle the modem” nope doesn’t work. Internet frequently goes down at 3-4am too, ”maintenance”.

    I’m in a coastal town of 30,000ish people. Fuck you buckeye. >:(

    Edit: I also have to pay extra for no data cap.

  14. Nothing is standard until rural markets get good, solid coverage.

    I’m paying through the nose for 25/5, because it’s the only thing that gets over 5 where I live. I’d pay reasonable up front premiums for 100/100, but nobody even looks our way because it’s not a very dense area.

  15. Fuck the Senate.

    Symmetrical gigabit over glass. To the side of the house. That’s the bare minimum standard. Anything less needs to be classified as subpar.

    Nothing else really counts for anything.

  16. There’s still a massive digital divide in the US, particularly in rural areas. It’s crazy that I live in a suburban city with gigabit internet speeds widely available for around $80 a month, yet an hour from me are some rural towns with local ISPs (not Spectrum, Comcast, etc.) charging lucrative amounts for maybe 10-meg speeds max. Same with phone carriers.

  17. Upload speed is severely lacking in the U.S. I have almost 400 MB/s down but only 35 up!!!

  18. LOL. 100mbps is what offices used in the 90s.

  19. remember 45 Mbps both ways 1992 and 2014 gigabit speeds all over the usa.

    that is what you paid for, if you live in the usa 😀

    that’s right. you ALREADY PAID FOR IT!

    how would you like ISPs stealing 400 billion to upgrade a network to meet requirements, but when they never did so, the corrupt government didn’t care:

    [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5839394](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5839394)

    if you had a real government (you don’t), then the telecommunication companies would have been sued into actual bankruptcy, the stolen money would have been given back to the usa public and all isp monopoly bullshit would have been completely stopped.

    so remember, that if you live in the usa, they already stole 400 billion dollars from u claiming to upgrade the internet to acceptable levels, but never did.

    YOU ALREADY PAID FOR IT!

    to quote the article:

    >upload speeds far greater than 3Mbps are critical.

    you paid for 45 Mbps upload speed to be everywhere in the usa basically and to be standard AGES AGO!, but you never got it.

  20. And what’s awesome is we the tax payers have all ready paid ATT to lay fiber to every home in the US. To bad they decided not to do it cuz they didn’t want CLECs to be able to use it too and just stopped laying the glass but yet we still paid them the almost 500 billion dollars. That my reader is a true conspiracy. Dive down that rabbit hole and you’ll surface one angry rabbit.

  21. It’s very nice to see the attention being paid to getting better upload speeds. Where I am Comcast gives 200mps down with only 5mps up, that’s 2.5% of the download speed.

    Guess which speed they advertise and which speed I had to research?

  22. More upstream is one of the key things here. We have moved into an environment where Internet users are pushing more and more data up to the cloud. When the Internet was largely only used for content consumption, async connections made perfect sense. Nowadays, we’re looking at people all participating in online meetings (involving uploads), backing up and storing data in the cloud, passing data to co-workers via the cloud, to say nothing of social media sharing.

    Where I live you can get 1Gbps down but with only 25Mbit up. I’d actually much rather pay for something like 300Mbit in both directions. 25Mbit means uploading a TB takes around 4 days assuming full upload bandwidth saturation. In practice it’s going to be more like 6-7 days, given overhead and other stuff being uploaded. Working in machine learning and such means there are instances where I’ve had to transfer >1TB of data to a co-worker – it of course was far quicker to just load it on a USB hard drive and ship it. (I actually don’t subscribe to 1G down, I have the 300/12 plan, so that would have been closer to 2 weeks for me…)

  23. I’d lose my mind if I ever got 100 up. Having 3 people doing zoom meetings in the house is ???

  24. Coax providers support max around 300mbps. Spectrum only offers 10 up whether you pay for 60 down, 100, 250 etc, can’t upload crap.

    If we’re already gridlocked to one provider, and spending whatever money they ask for because there’s no other options thanks to the local monopolies, it would be nice to at least get better upload speeds.

  25. I’d love to see this, but the inherently asymmetric nature of cable makes it unlikely that the vast majority of homes can be reached (to say nothing of legacy copper networks). The only way I’m aware of would be fiber to the home, which is still pretty rare. Anyone have more firsthand knowledge of this topic?